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The Wrestler’s Dilemma and the Athletic Component

By Josh Stein on Sep 01, 2010

After UFC 118, a number of people started talking about something that I’ve been talking about with a few other writers for some time: the role of wrestling in MMA. One of those writers published an interesting piece on the role that wrestling plays in undermining British fighters, as they can’t defend the takedown. I don’t have any solutions for the “British MMA scene” about how it ought to deal with that issue, only particular fighters; and that solution is usually to get out of the British MMA scene for a while, because there is no wrestling. So I’m not particularly helpful on that issue.

The issue that I did want to bring up is a line that appeared in the piece that corresponds to something I’ve been seeing a lot of on the message boards lately: “When you break down the numbers three of the five UFC champions; GSP, Lesnar and Edgar, all have some link to wrestling. This is a perfect illustration of how much success is being enjoyed by exponents of the discipline.”

I’ve actually commented on this issue before, but it’s worth restating my position at length to illustrate why trending in mixed martial arts is not relevant.

Since the institutions of UFC titles, we can track trending in divisions based largely on the title fights occurring in those divisions at any given time, and most divisions are dominated, consistently, by fighters with shared elements of background.

You can see my forum post to see what I’m talking about. The heavyweight division, with a short period of exception where there were no wrestlers competing, has been dominated by wrestlers; as has the welterweight division. The lightheavyweight division has actually become less saturated in wrestlers than it used to be, becoming more striker-centric. The middleweight division has never had an NCAA wrestler for a champion. And the lightweight division is incredibly hard to call because for a while it had only had three radically different champions who (until Frankie Edgar beat B.J. Penn) had never lost a belt in the cage.

There really isn’t enough data to talk about trending, but it does seem fair to point out that, while the UFC has three wrestlers for champions at this moment, there have been periods where they’ve had three BJJ blackbelts. All that means is that, at this moment, there’s a majority. And let’s not forget that the other two champions (Shogun and Anderson) are BJJ blackbelts, which means a single loss to a BJJ blackbelt would shift the balance the other way.

My point is this: I’ve learned that trends in UFC titles are more dependent on individual divisions than the sport, generally, and that if we’re going to comment on wrestling increasing as a trend, it should be acknowledged that the trend exists primarily in three divisions: heavyweight, welterweight and lightweight. Attempts to find a large number of emergent wrestlers in the middleweight division are doomed to fall short after Chael Sonnen, and while some can make the argument that Ryan Bader and others are a symbol of a growing level of wrestling talent at lightheavyweight, the historical lightheavyweight division has been far more wrestler heavy than the current division.

The best argument for the success of wrestlers actually has less to do with wrestling as a style and more to do with its institutionalization as a sport in the United States. The strong argument is that wrestling is physically exhausting and puts a heavy emphasis on building athleticism, so the wrestlers we see (like Jon Jones, or Bader, or Fitch, or Lesnar, or Koscheck; guys who have grown up wrestling) are simply better athletes than guys who don’t grow up in that culture. The other is that they’re more used to cutting weight, so their recovery after the cut is better than those who aren’t, and they’re able to cut more weight. I’m not convinced totally by either of these arguments, because it doesn’t see that wrestlers are as dominant as the argument seems to necessitate, implicitly, but these are definitely advantages of adoption wrestling, and it is apparent looking at the difference in core size between someone like Georges St. Pierre and Dan Hardy. But this is the strong argument, and not the notion that wrestlers are some how more dominant now than they used to be, which is questionable.

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About the Author: Joshua Stein is a writer and editor for MMA Opinion. He has worked as a photographer and journalist and has a number of print journalism credits. He also works as a moderator for MMAForum.com and a grappling columnist (covering judo, collegiate wrestling, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and submission grappling) for profighting-fans.com.

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  1. Curtis says:
    September 1, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Josh,
    Feels like we have had this talk before. You know I am a fan of the athletic wrestlers.

    It is not a coincidence that the two best 170 pound fighters in UFC history were great wrestlers.

    While other variations of combat sport transfer well to the cage, none have been as useful as wrestling.

    Wrestling is different because it can be used in all aspects of MMA. If you are fighting a boxer, take him down. If you are fighting a Thai fighter, catch the leg. it even helps against the best of BJJ…just ask Royce…

    Sorry to write a long comment….

    • Josh Stein says:
      September 1, 2010 at 11:25 pm

      Haha, well, I dispute your citing the “two best 170 pound fighters.” Pat Miletich would, too.

      I’m not sure that I agree that “none have been as useful as wrestling.” It does seem to fluctuate with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, historically.

      But we’ve been having this conversation for a long time, and I’m sure it will continue.

      • edub says:
        September 6, 2010 at 9:52 pm

        I don’t think he would. There’s no comparing Miletich with Hughes or GSP for that matter. Both are in a league above him.

  2. wardog says:
    September 2, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Josh to add to this debate GSP is a black belt in BJJ, and actually has more training in that than wrestling. Also Edgar is a purple belt. Shogun has a black belt as does Anderson Silva, so 3 title holders have black belts while 2 have wrestling pedigrees.
    I do agree with the athleticism of wrestlers and the ability to cut weight, Militech has also stated that the sport develops explosive strength in those who participate. I believe that wrestlers are becoming more successful because they are adapting to areas of the sport more quickly than others who have come up in other disciplines. Add their athleticism and wrestling with striking and submissions you get a better fighter. GSP seemed to work backwards, but he has been effective none the less.
    Bill

    • edub says:
      September 6, 2010 at 9:57 pm

      But GSP doesn’t dominate because of his belt in BJJ. He dominates because he can take anyone down at anytime he wants, and his hips are probably the best in the sport.

      Same with Edgar. He has added extra skills and his footwork and striking probably put him over the edge against BJ. But his wrestling was what won him the fight. Taking BJ down almost at will, Being able to buck and move BJ in to postitions while they are bucking on the ground is really a beuatiful site to see.

      Wrestling is easily the best discipline to start with for MMA…

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