Comments on: The Argument for James Toney http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/ MMA Opinion and Cheap MMA Gear Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:45:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Josh Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12131 Josh Stein Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:35:43 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12131 Oh, and I'll be keeping my fingers crossed that they put him in the cage with Gilbert Yvel or Antoni Hardonk. Bring in the Dutch strikers! Oh, and I’ll be keeping my fingers crossed that they put him in the cage with Gilbert Yvel or Antoni Hardonk. Bring in the Dutch strikers!

]]> By: Josh Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12130 Josh Stein Mon, 08 Mar 2010 21:34:40 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12130 They can say Toney's not top fifty if they want, but he's still ranked that way. He's ranked in the mid-30s by many, and while I'm not sure I agree, it's clear the dude can still box. Hasim Rahman isn't competitive? Samuel Peter isn't competitive? It's fine to say he hasn't fought well in a long time. He's definitely not in his prime, which is why I think he'll get wrecked in MMA, but he's a solid boxer. They can say Toney’s not top fifty if they want, but he’s still ranked that way. He’s ranked in the mid-30s by many, and while I’m not sure I agree, it’s clear the dude can still box.

Hasim Rahman isn’t competitive? Samuel Peter isn’t competitive?

It’s fine to say he hasn’t fought well in a long time. He’s definitely not in his prime, which is why I think he’ll get wrecked in MMA, but he’s a solid boxer.

]]> By: Brandt DeLorenzo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12129 Brandt DeLorenzo Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:52:12 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12129 That's where we disagree. :) He hasn't fought anyone competitive in years, he has brain damage, and he's way out of shape for MMA. Jersey won't sanction him now after he admitted to brain damage in 2007. Nevada has OK'd fights before that should not have happened. http://www.fightopinion.com/2010/03/03/the-legacy-of-keith-kizer-is-cemented-thanks-to-evander-holyfield/ His first fight could be this summer. I hope they put up against Stefan Struve, haha. http://www.fightopinion.com/2010/03/05/james-toney-my-first-mma-fight-will-happen-in-june-or-july/ There's a comment on this article that's been added to the article itself. http://www.fightopinion.com/2010/03/04/the-motivations-behind-ufcs-move-to-sign-james-toney/ "Toney is no longer a top 50 heavyweight, has brain damage, doesn’t train, has pointed guns at his managers, torn up gyms, assaulted numerous people, and abuses steroids. In short, this is a freak show, every bit the freak show Mercer/Sylvia was. At least in that case, Mercer was a legitimate heavyweight." That’s where we disagree. :) He hasn’t fought anyone competitive in years, he has brain damage, and he’s way out of shape for MMA.

Jersey won’t sanction him now after he admitted to brain damage in 2007. Nevada has OK’d fights before that should not have happened.

http://www.fightopinion.com/2010/03/03/the-legacy-of-keith-kizer-is-cemented-thanks-to-evander-holyfield/

His first fight could be this summer. I hope they put up against Stefan Struve, haha.

http://www.fightopinion.com/2010/03/05/james-toney-my-first-mma-fight-will-happen-in-june-or-july/

There’s a comment on this article that’s been added to the article itself.

http://www.fightopinion.com/2010/03/04/the-motivations-behind-ufcs-move-to-sign-james-toney/

“Toney is no longer a top 50 heavyweight, has brain damage, doesn’t train, has pointed guns at his managers, torn up gyms, assaulted numerous people, and abuses steroids. In short, this is a freak show, every bit the freak show Mercer/Sylvia was. At least in that case, Mercer was a legitimate heavyweight.”

]]> By: wardog http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12123 wardog Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:07:58 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12123 Do I think Toney will be a force in the UFC? No! Sure a guy like Duffee or someone else would probably take him down and pound him out. But all the UFC needs is a KO of someone with a name like dumbass Couture who is calling Toney out to think he can stand and bang with him. And you know someone will when they shouldn't and get KO'd. Already the boxers at my gym are saying exactly what I said earlier. They are saying Toney is crazy and old and shouldn't be doing this. They said the same thing about Ray Mercer... until he ko'd Sylvia. Then it was these MMA guys can't fight a boxer (yes event though he lost to Kimbo). So just throw Lesnar at him and let it be done! Bill Do I think Toney will be a force in the UFC? No! Sure a guy like Duffee or someone else would probably take him down and pound him out. But all the UFC needs is a KO of someone with a name like dumbass Couture who is calling Toney out to think he can stand and bang with him. And you know someone will when they shouldn’t and get KO’d.

Already the boxers at my gym are saying exactly what I said earlier. They are saying Toney is crazy and old and shouldn’t be doing this. They said the same thing about Ray Mercer… until he ko’d Sylvia. Then it was these MMA guys can’t fight a boxer (yes event though he lost to Kimbo). So just throw Lesnar at him and let it be done!
Bill

]]> By: Josh Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12092 Josh Stein Sun, 07 Mar 2010 03:09:05 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12092 Bro, I'm more optimistic. Sooner or later he'll fight Todd Duffee or some other athletic young guy with a wrestling background who will just get him against the cage or take him down and just wreck him. Even if it doesn't happen right away, there are so many good, athletic fighters out there that Toney really won't be able to compete. If he wins one with a big punch then goes 0-2 or 0-3 because he's gotta fight tougher guys, then the boxers will shut up. We'll see, though. Bro, I’m more optimistic. Sooner or later he’ll fight Todd Duffee or some other athletic young guy with a wrestling background who will just get him against the cage or take him down and just wreck him.

Even if it doesn’t happen right away, there are so many good, athletic fighters out there that Toney really won’t be able to compete. If he wins one with a big punch then goes 0-2 or 0-3 because he’s gotta fight tougher guys, then the boxers will shut up.

We’ll see, though.

]]> By: wardog http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12083 wardog Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:46:11 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12083 I have to say like the article but hate the signing. You know forget putting him in with Kimbo, some lesser known fighter, or even Couture. Throw him right at either Lesnar or Machida (if he wants to drop down to lhw which someone stated somewhere). I do not want him to win one fight, not one! This is a win-win situation for the boxing crowd over the MMA crowd. If Toney beats any fighter with a MMA background he makes boxers look great (especially if the guy is younger than him). A win over a Couture would be fantastic for the likes of Mayweather and other MMA detractors. If he looses they will say he's old and washed up so it doesn't matter. Either way the only way MMA looks good in this situation is if he ends up getting smashed, so bring on Lesnar! Bill I have to say like the article but hate the signing. You know forget putting him in with Kimbo, some lesser known fighter, or even Couture. Throw him right at either Lesnar or Machida (if he wants to drop down to lhw which someone stated somewhere). I do not want him to win one fight, not one!

This is a win-win situation for the boxing crowd over the MMA crowd. If Toney beats any fighter with a MMA background he makes boxers look great (especially if the guy is younger than him). A win over a Couture would be fantastic for the likes of Mayweather and other MMA detractors. If he looses they will say he’s old and washed up so it doesn’t matter. Either way the only way MMA looks good in this situation is if he ends up getting smashed, so bring on Lesnar!
Bill

]]> By: edub http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12064 edub Sat, 06 Mar 2010 01:17:21 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12064 Yea I did man. Come over to fight opinion and help me out. Most of the guys over there are busy calling Dana a hypocrite, and saying Toney has been shot for years. Im kind of in the middle. Alan Conciecao tried to argue with me that a 48 year old Ray Mercer was a better cross over than Toney is. Yea I did man. Come over to fight opinion and help me out. Most of the guys over there are busy calling Dana a hypocrite, and saying Toney has been shot for years. Im kind of in the middle.

Alan Conciecao tried to argue with me that a 48 year old Ray Mercer was a better cross over than Toney is.

]]> By: Josh Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12061 Josh Stein Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:49:25 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12061 You're right, he doesn't belong in MMA just because he can stalk Dana White during a UFC event. He belongs in MMA because he's one of the best boxers in the world, which means he has the potential to be competitive against the best strikers the UFC has to offer, and that's a great place to start. As far as Nevada sanctioning him, as opposed to New Jersey, Jersey sanctioned his fight with Rahman in 2006. He's only six fights removed from that bout and, it's worth noting, his only two losses since then were decisions against Samuel Peter, who's on the edge of the top ten. I don't think the UFC would have much of a problem getting him sanctioned in Jersey, but he'll fight in Nevada, because that's where the UFC has it's biggest events, and he's going to end up on the main card of one of those fights. You’re right, he doesn’t belong in MMA just because he can stalk Dana White during a UFC event. He belongs in MMA because he’s one of the best boxers in the world, which means he has the potential to be competitive against the best strikers the UFC has to offer, and that’s a great place to start.

As far as Nevada sanctioning him, as opposed to New Jersey, Jersey sanctioned his fight with Rahman in 2006. He’s only six fights removed from that bout and, it’s worth noting, his only two losses since then were decisions against Samuel Peter, who’s on the edge of the top ten. I don’t think the UFC would have much of a problem getting him sanctioned in Jersey, but he’ll fight in Nevada, because that’s where the UFC has it’s biggest events, and he’s going to end up on the main card of one of those fights.

]]> By: Brandt DeLorenzo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12053 Brandt DeLorenzo Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:28:23 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12053 It was a good write-up, but he doesn't belong in MMA just because he can stalk Dana White during a UFC event. The guy has brain damage from nearly 100 boxing fights where he got hit in the head thousands of times. Keith Kizer in NV will let him fight, but could he fight in a strict state like NJ? I doubt it. It was a good write-up, but he doesn’t belong in MMA just because he can stalk Dana White during a UFC event.

The guy has brain damage from nearly 100 boxing fights where he got hit in the head thousands of times. Keith Kizer in NV will let him fight, but could he fight in a strict state like NJ? I doubt it.

]]> By: Kasey http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2010/03/04/the-argument-for-james-toney/comment-page-1/#comment-12052 Kasey Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:57:41 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=4745#comment-12052 Model writing. I've anticipated this kind of signing for some time and Toney will simply be the best boxer to ever fight in the Octagon. Period. For boxing fans and for fans of MMA who respect boxing, that has to mean something. My view here: http://kaseydriscoll.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/james-toney-and-ricardo-mayorgo-boxing-and-mma-square-off/ Model writing. I’ve anticipated this kind of signing for some time and Toney will simply be the best boxer to ever fight in the Octagon. Period. For boxing fans and for fans of MMA who respect boxing, that has to mean something.

My view here: http://kaseydriscoll.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/james-toney-and-ricardo-mayorgo-boxing-and-mma-square-off/

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