Comments on: Independent World MMA Rankings: June, 2009 http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/06/19/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-2009/ MMA Opinion and Cheap MMA Gear Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:47:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: ironman http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/06/19/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6990 ironman Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:24:04 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=3108#comment-6990 Vee, sorry to say this, but you're actually wrong. Couture has fought in the last twelve months. His bout with Brock Lesnar was in November of 2008. Last I checked, that was less than twelve months ago. I don't think that Randy is a top ten heavyweight, and that's how I voted, but lots of people don't agree with me and, since he's elible on the basis of his fight with Lesnar, they can vote for him if they want. Vee, sorry to say this, but you’re actually wrong. Couture has fought in the last twelve months. His bout with Brock Lesnar was in November of 2008. Last I checked, that was less than twelve months ago.

I don’t think that Randy is a top ten heavyweight, and that’s how I voted, but lots of people don’t agree with me and, since he’s elible on the basis of his fight with Lesnar, they can vote for him if they want.

]]> By: ironman http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/06/19/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6941 ironman Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:24:02 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=3108#comment-6941 Vee and Alex, the rankings don't have a single set of logical principles to them. Weird things happen when you have 14 guys with different thought process do their individual ballots, and that's what happened here. I'm not allowed to really go into the numbers (I'm one of the people who calculates the results, but we're keeping them off the record), but a lot of people have stopped thinking of Mousasi as a middleweight and are looking forward to his lightheavyweight career. Since he has yet to fight in that division, he's not eligible to be ranked at 205, but I imagine he will be if he beats Babalu and Sokoudjou. Vee and Alex, the rankings don’t have a single set of logical principles to them. Weird things happen when you have 14 guys with different thought process do their individual ballots, and that’s what happened here.

I’m not allowed to really go into the numbers (I’m one of the people who calculates the results, but we’re keeping them off the record), but a lot of people have stopped thinking of Mousasi as a middleweight and are looking forward to his lightheavyweight career.

Since he has yet to fight in that division, he’s not eligible to be ranked at 205, but I imagine he will be if he beats Babalu and Sokoudjou.

]]> By: VEe http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/06/19/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6940 VEe Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:01:03 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=3108#comment-6940 Compare Lesnar accomplishments to Carwin or Velasquez. Taking nothing away from Lesnar but he is 2-1 in the UFC, the aforementioned fighters are undefeated. Beating Herring is a big deal but so is Velasquez victory over Kongo who also has many fights under his belt. Love Randy and all but part of his legendary status is tied to his fights at light the heavyweight division and YET he's ranked at 6. Do you want to discuss lack of activity - check Randy. <i><b>Couture has not fought in the last 12 months*</b> and there is a 12-month gap between his fights against Lesnar and Gonzaga.</i> So Lesnar beat Couture and Herring but loss via submission to Mir. Is he necessarily ranked or better than Carwin or Velasquez because of those victories? Evidence inconclusive . . . am I totally off base here? *I'm sure there is a special Couture exception? Compare Lesnar accomplishments to Carwin or Velasquez. Taking nothing away from Lesnar but he is 2-1 in the UFC, the aforementioned fighters are undefeated. Beating Herring is a big deal but so is Velasquez victory over Kongo who also has many fights under his belt. Love Randy and all but part of his legendary status is tied to his fights at light the heavyweight division and YET he’s ranked at 6. Do you want to discuss lack of activity – check Randy. Couture has not fought in the last 12 months* and there is a 12-month gap between his fights against Lesnar and Gonzaga.

So Lesnar beat Couture and Herring but loss via submission to Mir. Is he necessarily ranked or better than Carwin or Velasquez because of those victories? Evidence inconclusive . . . am I totally off base here?

*I’m sure there is a special Couture exception?

]]> By: Alex T http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/06/19/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6937 Alex T Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:00:50 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=3108#comment-6937 BTW glad to see Lesnar in the top 4 he deserves that much as most other ranking have him at 5 or 7 so good job guys BTW glad to see Lesnar in the top 4 he deserves that much as most other ranking have him at 5 or 7 so good job guys

]]> By: Alex T http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/06/19/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6936 Alex T Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:58:06 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=3108#comment-6936 ok dude only thing i don't understand is why Okami is so high on everyone's list he lost to rich franklin who Dan Henderson beat he hasn't taken on that tough of competition even thought he is 7-1 in the UFC, but im juss really perplexed by that ranking considering you guys did a waayyyy better job then Yahoo, MMAWeekly sherdog and bloody elbow its juss the middleweight division seems a lil weird ok dude only thing i don’t understand is why Okami is so high on everyone’s list he lost to rich franklin who Dan Henderson beat he hasn’t taken on that tough of competition even thought he is 7-1 in the UFC, but im juss really perplexed by that ranking considering you guys did a waayyyy better job then Yahoo, MMAWeekly sherdog and bloody elbow its juss the middleweight division seems a lil weird

]]> By: VEe http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/06/19/independent-world-mma-rankings-june-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-6934 VEe Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:08:38 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=3108#comment-6934 Josh, I'm sure the creation of this list brought about a number of arguments. HEre's my quick addition to the rankings argument. Lesnar. Barnett. The MW 3-5 is odd. Mousasi at 7? His last fight at MW was within 12 months and he had a stellar 2008. Gegard has a better record than most guys on that list. After all, how often has Yushin Okami fought recently . . . Dean Lister in December '08? Koscheck over Condit . . . blah, blah, blah. Quality of opponent is subjective and I think the promotion plays a huge factor. It would really be cool to see who qualifies as a high-rated quality opponent. Example: Nate Marquardt's recent victories after losing to the champion. Jeremy Horn - an MMA vet with a sporadic win-loss record. Thales Leites - a credible MW contender Martim Kampmann - a very light MW who now fights as a welterweight Wilson Gouveia - a .500 with a 2-1 MW record Now compare that list of quality opponents to Gegard Mousasi's recent oponnents at MW. Jacare - solid 10-2 fighter who beat Jason Miller Melvin Manhoef - need I say more? Dong Sik Yoon - easily forgotten Dennis Kang - world renown (32 - 11) record Question? Who fought a higher level of quality competition? Does Randy Couture's adventures in the LHW division factor in his HW ranking as "actual accomplishments in the cage/ring." Last question, are you guys buying into the hype for Koscheck? Did you gusy compare the quality of his recent opponents versus Carlos Condit's opponents? Condit's recent loss was an epic split-decision. Koscheck recent record is 2-2 where he was decisively beat and stopped (controversial loss, but stopped nonetheless). Josh,
I’m sure the creation of this list brought about a number of arguments. HEre’s my quick addition to the rankings argument.

Lesnar. Barnett. The MW 3-5 is odd. Mousasi at 7? His last fight at MW was within 12 months and he had a stellar 2008. Gegard has a better record than most guys on that list. After all, how often has Yushin Okami fought recently . . . Dean Lister in December ’08? Koscheck over Condit . . . blah, blah, blah.

Quality of opponent is subjective and I think the promotion plays a huge factor. It would really be cool to see who qualifies as a high-rated quality opponent.

Example: Nate Marquardt’s recent victories after losing to the champion.
Jeremy Horn – an MMA vet with a sporadic win-loss record.
Thales Leites – a credible MW contender
Martim Kampmann – a very light MW who now fights as a welterweight
Wilson Gouveia – a .500 with a 2-1 MW record

Now compare that list of quality opponents to Gegard Mousasi’s recent oponnents at MW.
Jacare – solid 10-2 fighter who beat Jason Miller
Melvin Manhoef – need I say more?
Dong Sik Yoon – easily forgotten
Dennis Kang – world renown (32 – 11) record

Question? Who fought a higher level of quality competition? Does Randy Couture’s adventures in the LHW division factor in his HW ranking as “actual accomplishments in the cage/ring.”

Last question, are you guys buying into the hype for Koscheck? Did you gusy compare the quality of his recent opponents versus Carlos Condit’s opponents? Condit’s recent loss was an epic split-decision. Koscheck recent record is 2-2 where he was decisively beat and stopped (controversial loss, but stopped nonetheless).

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