Comments on: Careful Optimism Required: The Future of the UFC Heavyweight Division http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/ MMA Opinion and Cheap MMA Gear Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:47:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: samuel http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-8601 samuel Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:36:41 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-8601 5wAV7Q kdgHq9bt4FuaL6c1dp85Uf 5wAV7Q kdgHq9bt4FuaL6c1dp85Uf

]]> By: curtis http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4756 curtis Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:50:56 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4756 Oh yea it was his lil bro wasn't it.... Oh yea it was his lil bro wasn’t it….

]]> By: ironman http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4754 ironman Thu, 26 Feb 2009 06:15:13 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4754 Curtis, a quick correction, Fedor hasn't beaten Barnett yet. (Nog beat Barnett soundly, though, and so did CroCop) EJ, please feel free to ignore what Fedor did to Arlovski and Sylvia. Clearly you were a Pride "debunker" back in the day. All that's been proven is that fighting in a cage and fighting in the ring are two totally different things, but anyone who's fought in both knows that already. If you think a fighter needs to be in the UFC to prove he's the best, then that's fine, but who has Lesnar beaten to prove he's the best? Herring? Couture? Who has Mir beaten? Nogueira? Lesnar? My point is not that their wins suck, it's that all of their credibility is based on two or three fights. Fedor has 29 wins, with four wins over guys who are in the top ten now (and if you want to go back to who was in the top ten at the time he fought them, that goes up to somewhere between 7 and 9). Curtis, a quick correction, Fedor hasn’t beaten Barnett yet. (Nog beat Barnett soundly, though, and so did CroCop)

EJ, please feel free to ignore what Fedor did to Arlovski and Sylvia. Clearly you were a Pride “debunker” back in the day.

All that’s been proven is that fighting in a cage and fighting in the ring are two totally different things, but anyone who’s fought in both knows that already.

If you think a fighter needs to be in the UFC to prove he’s the best, then that’s fine, but who has Lesnar beaten to prove he’s the best? Herring? Couture? Who has Mir beaten? Nogueira? Lesnar?

My point is not that their wins suck, it’s that all of their credibility is based on two or three fights. Fedor has 29 wins, with four wins over guys who are in the top ten now (and if you want to go back to who was in the top ten at the time he fought them, that goes up to somewhere between 7 and 9).

]]> By: curtis http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4752 curtis Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:26:59 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4752 Arlovski - Former UFC Champ Sylvia - Former UFC Champ Barnette - Former UFC Champ Fedor - Beat All three of the above former UFC Champions, as well as Kevin Randleman, Mark Coleman, and Big Nog (All former UFC Champs) You know EJ, you are probably right... There is no way these guys could hang with the heavyweights in the UFC......... Arlovski – Former UFC Champ
Sylvia – Former UFC Champ
Barnette – Former UFC Champ
Fedor – Beat All three of the above former UFC Champions, as well as Kevin Randleman, Mark Coleman, and Big Nog (All former UFC Champs)

You know EJ, you are probably right… There is no way these guys could hang with the heavyweights in the UFC………

]]> By: EJ http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4750 EJ Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:04:48 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4750 Sorry but the old myths about Pride having the best fighters was debunked awhile back, the proof is in the pudding so to speak. Guys like CC, Herring, Nog, Werdum all were predicted to dominate the UFC and all have been exposed in the octagon by supposed lesser fighters. If you want to prove you're the best you come to the UFC and prove it until then all of this hype about Affliction and their HW's is the same kind of bs that surrounded Pride and their HW's. Sorry but the old myths about Pride having the best fighters was debunked awhile back, the proof is in the pudding so to speak. Guys like CC, Herring, Nog, Werdum all were predicted to dominate the UFC and all have been exposed in the octagon by supposed lesser fighters. If you want to prove you’re the best you come to the UFC and prove it until then all of this hype about Affliction and their HW’s is the same kind of bs that surrounded Pride and their HW’s.

]]> By: curtis http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4743 curtis Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:19:32 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4743 EJ, I have an idea... Lets take the UFC heavyweight division and put them head to head agains Affliction's The UFC may have the best talent in all of the other classes, but not this one. Fedor hasn't lost since 2000. We can't say he isn't fighting the top guys anymore because he destroyed two of the UFC's best in Timmy and Sylvia. Barnett could beat anyone in the UFC division. Tim and AA, pretty much already have...minus Randy (and he aint getting any younger) EJ,
I have an idea… Lets take the UFC heavyweight division and put them head to head agains Affliction’s

The UFC may have the best talent in all of the other classes, but not this one.

Fedor hasn’t lost since 2000. We can’t say he isn’t fighting the top guys anymore because he destroyed two of the UFC’s best in Timmy and Sylvia.

Barnett could beat anyone in the UFC division.

Tim and AA, pretty much already have…minus Randy (and he aint getting any younger)

]]> By: ironman http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4741 ironman Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:13:58 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4741 EJ, if you think those guys you listed make for a tough division then that's your opinion, but if you look at any list of rankings, the UFC is lucky if it has one or two guys in the top five. You can call it the "premier division" in MMA, but it doesn't have the top fighters in it. Not in the same way that all of the other UFC divisions do. Carwin, Kongo, Dos Santos and Cain are great up and comers, but I can't call them top ten fighters, and I don't think anyone should. Oh, and if you think that the winner of Lesnar vs. Mir is the best heavyweight in the world, then I don't know what to tell you. I just can't suspend my disbelief long enough to accept something like that. EJ, if you think those guys you listed make for a tough division then that’s your opinion, but if you look at any list of rankings, the UFC is lucky if it has one or two guys in the top five.

You can call it the “premier division” in MMA, but it doesn’t have the top fighters in it. Not in the same way that all of the other UFC divisions do.

Carwin, Kongo, Dos Santos and Cain are great up and comers, but I can’t call them top ten fighters, and I don’t think anyone should.

Oh, and if you think that the winner of Lesnar vs. Mir is the best heavyweight in the world, then I don’t know what to tell you. I just can’t suspend my disbelief long enough to accept something like that.

]]> By: Bryan Levick http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4740 Bryan Levick Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:01:02 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4740 I am sorry but to call this ridiculous is uncalled for. If you don't agree with it then say so, you don't have to ridicule the man's work. Putting Herring and Kongo on the list shows your true ignorance. When I was younger we knew a dirty kid named EJ, he was a loser and no one liked him. We used to call him extra junk. Are you that kid? I am sorry but to call this ridiculous is uncalled for. If you don’t agree with it then say so, you don’t have to ridicule the man’s work. Putting Herring and Kongo on the list shows your true ignorance.

When I was younger we knew a dirty kid named EJ, he was a loser and no one liked him. We used to call him extra junk. Are you that kid?

]]> By: EJ http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4739 EJ Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:58:15 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4739 There really is no reason to by Carefully Optimistic about the UFC HW division, there are actually several of us fans that don't drink the Fedor kool-aid and do regard whoever the UFC champion is to be the best HW in the world. You might want to take those people into account whenever making a ridiculous article like this that wants to talk down the premier HW division in MMA. When you have guys like Mir, Nog, Lesnar, Couture, Kongo, Napao, Carwin, Dos Santon, Cain, and Herring you have a pretty stacked division that will only continue to prosper as time goes on. There really is no reason to by Carefully Optimistic about the UFC HW division, there are actually several of us fans that don’t drink the Fedor kool-aid and do regard whoever the UFC champion is to be the best HW in the world. You might want to take those people into account whenever making a ridiculous article like this that wants to talk down the premier HW division in MMA. When you have guys like Mir, Nog, Lesnar, Couture, Kongo, Napao, Carwin, Dos Santon, Cain, and Herring you have a pretty stacked division that will only continue to prosper as time goes on.

]]> By: Bryan Levick http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2009/02/25/careful-optimism-required-the-future-of-the-ufc-heavyweight-division/comment-page-1/#comment-4733 Bryan Levick Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:28:54 +0000 http://mmaopinion.com/?p=2183#comment-4733 I'll be sure to do that!! I like Gonzaga it just seems that he wilters under extreme pressure (Couture & Werdum). If he ever puts it all together he could be unstoppable. Carwin is a lot like Lesnar in that he is so freaky strong and has great wrestling but his subs are light years ahead of Brock's. I’ll be sure to do that!! I like Gonzaga it just seems that he wilters under extreme pressure (Couture & Werdum). If he ever puts it all together he could be unstoppable.

Carwin is a lot like Lesnar in that he is so freaky strong and has great wrestling but his subs are light years ahead of Brock’s.

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