Comments on: Junie Not at Fault? http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/ MMA Opinion and Cheap MMA Gear Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:45:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: iamphoenix http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3551 iamphoenix Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:28:18 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3551 dustin, you only further my case. there are a million other ways to get people to watch TUF. this is one of the easiest routes. dustin, you only further my case. there are a million other ways to get people to watch TUF. this is one of the easiest routes.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3549 Curtis Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:12:08 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3549 Phoenix, I like your enthusiasm. Junie is new to the sports and has shown promise (or he wouldn't be training with Randy). I am not saying give the guy a title shot, I am just saying let's give him a chance, let's not execute him. We don't know him personally. We don't know for sure that he truly is what we seen on the show. In time it will all come out in the wash. If he is a raging alcoholic that needs therapy and not a UFC contract then so be it, its an opinion. He is there because of the money. He made people watch. That is why he is fighting in the finale. People want to see him lose. Phoenix,
I like your enthusiasm. Junie is new to the sports and has shown promise (or he wouldn’t be training with Randy). I am not saying give the guy a title shot, I am just saying let’s give him a chance, let’s not execute him. We don’t know him personally. We don’t know for sure that he truly is what we seen on the show. In time it will all come out in the wash. If he is a raging alcoholic that needs therapy and not a UFC contract then so be it, its an opinion. He is there because of the money. He made people watch. That is why he is fighting in the finale. People want to see him lose.

]]> By: Dustin http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3548 Dustin Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:49:45 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3548 That's what Dana wants us to believe? Well, yeah, it's because it's the truth. It's all about the ratings. The fact of the matter is that Dana White knew exactly what he was doing when he was keeping Junie on the show. As Josh mentioned, keeping him on the show has kept the interest in the show and those who bought into the Junie drama will be tuning into The Finale this coming Saturday. Guaranteed. His background and antics on the show have turned him into a marketing goldmine. It helps that he isn't just some low grade run of the mill fighter. He has legitimate skill and should be extra sharp considering that he's been training with Xtreme Couture. As for me being a "Dana White nuthugger"... Never having an issue with the TUF show and Dana's decisions on the various shows is just one element of the UFC business. There have been plenty of other aspects of the organization that I have disagreed with Dana on. To say I "never disagree with what Dana has done" is outrageous. Dana not sending Junie home being classified as stupid is your opinion. I happen to dig deeper into the motivations behind the decision and see it as a smart decision. Once again, I can't stress enough, it's all about the ratings, the greenbacks, and the development of the UFC newest marketing gem. This seasons ratings will speak for themselves. That’s what Dana wants us to believe? Well, yeah, it’s because it’s the truth. It’s all about the ratings. The fact of the matter is that Dana White knew exactly what he was doing when he was keeping Junie on the show. As Josh mentioned, keeping him on the show has kept the interest in the show and those who bought into the Junie drama will be tuning into The Finale this coming Saturday. Guaranteed. His background and antics on the show have turned him into a marketing goldmine. It helps that he isn’t just some low grade run of the mill fighter. He has legitimate skill and should be extra sharp considering that he’s been training with Xtreme Couture.

As for me being a “Dana White nuthugger”… Never having an issue with the TUF show and Dana’s decisions on the various shows is just one element of the UFC business. There have been plenty of other aspects of the organization that I have disagreed with Dana on. To say I “never disagree with what Dana has done” is outrageous.

Dana not sending Junie home being classified as stupid is your opinion. I happen to dig deeper into the motivations behind the decision and see it as a smart decision. Once again, I can’t stress enough, it’s all about the ratings, the greenbacks, and the development of the UFC newest marketing gem. This seasons ratings will speak for themselves.

]]> By: iamphoenix http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3545 iamphoenix Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:51:58 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3545 i don't call anyone a nuthugger without evidence. from above comments: " Dana White made the right choice from a business standpoint. As he was saying all along, justice was served when he was beaten by Efrain in the final episode." that's what he(dana white) wants you to believe. "I’ve never had an issue with the TUF show and nor have I ever scorned Dana White for allowing madness like the Junie debacle to go on. Here’s why…" never disagreeing with what dana has ever done. don't get me wrong, i love dana white and all that he has done, but it's okay to say yeah, he did something stupid.(in not sending junie home) don't worry ironman, not trying to turn your site into sherdog. i don’t call anyone a nuthugger without evidence. from above comments:

” Dana White made the right choice from a business standpoint. As he was saying all along, justice was served when he was beaten by Efrain in the final episode.”

that’s what he(dana white) wants you to believe.

“I’ve never had an issue with the TUF show and nor have I ever scorned Dana White for allowing madness like the Junie debacle to go on. Here’s why…”

never disagreeing with what dana has ever done. don’t get me wrong, i love dana white and all that he has done, but it’s okay to say yeah, he did something stupid.(in not sending junie home)

don’t worry ironman, not trying to turn your site into sherdog.

]]> By: Josh Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3544 Josh Stein Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:36:23 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3544 iamphoenix, I don't know who you're accusing of being a Dana nuthugger, but save that stuff for the message boards on sherdog. I don't agree with Curtis' defense of Browning, and he's clearly got way more issues than talent, but it's important to add that the UFC is going to make a ton of money off of his fights. Personally, I'd like to see him come up to 205 and fight Kryztof. iamphoenix, I don’t know who you’re accusing of being a Dana nuthugger, but save that stuff for the message boards on sherdog.

I don’t agree with Curtis’ defense of Browning, and he’s clearly got way more issues than talent, but it’s important to add that the UFC is going to make a ton of money off of his fights.

Personally, I’d like to see him come up to 205 and fight Kryztof.

]]> By: iamphoenix http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3543 iamphoenix Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:31:51 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3543 curtis, you are making excuses for a guy * curtis, you are making excuses for a guy *

]]> By: iamphoenix http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3542 iamphoenix Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:31:19 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3542 no use. you all are dana nuthuggers. and brandt, opinions can be stupid. saying the sky is not blue is not an opinion, it's just denying the truth. junie wasn't playing a part, it wasn't an act. saying that he was is stupid. curtis, you are making a excuses for a guy who hasn't done anything. the players you mentioned were established sport figures before they gambled...junie has done nothing, so why should i defend him, why should you make excuses for him. that's stupid. no use. you all are dana nuthuggers.

and brandt, opinions can be stupid. saying the sky is not blue is not an opinion, it’s just denying the truth. junie wasn’t playing a part, it wasn’t an act. saying that he was is stupid.

curtis, you are making a excuses for a guy who hasn’t done anything. the players you mentioned were established sport figures before they gambled…junie has done nothing, so why should i defend him, why should you make excuses for him.

that’s stupid.

]]> By: Dan http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3524 Dan Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:42:02 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3524 Browning seemed to have am alchohol problem. Chris Leben, on the first TUF also obviously had an alchohol problem. When Leben stopped drinking, he became a very good fighter, and seemed to be a much better human being. Maybe the UFC got Browning some alcohol counseling. I can't imagine Browning getting anywhere as a fighter if he keeps drinking. Somehow or other it seemed to block his ability to process fear. Browning seemed to have am alchohol problem. Chris Leben, on the first TUF also obviously had an alchohol problem. When Leben stopped drinking, he became a very good fighter, and seemed to be a much better human being. Maybe the UFC got Browning some alcohol counseling. I can’t imagine Browning getting anywhere as a fighter if he keeps drinking. Somehow or other it seemed to block his ability to process fear.

]]> By: Dustin http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3518 Dustin Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:50:28 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3518 Agreed. I don't condone what he did either, but I think Dana White made the right choice from a business standpoint. As he was saying all along, justice was served when he was beaten by Efrain in the final episode. We all know that the choice to leave Junie on the show was not ethically or morally motivated at all. It's all about the ratings. Week-by-week I would guess that more people were tuning in to see what he would do next. Without Junie on the show, Dana White and the producers probably assumed the ratings would suffer. The show is not designed to be focused around morally upstanding values. It is designed for entertainment. In my opinion, it's really not even designed for the hardcore MMA fan. If Junie's tantrums weren't entertaining, I don't know what was. Agreed. I don’t condone what he did either, but I think Dana White made the right choice from a business standpoint. As he was saying all along, justice was served when he was beaten by Efrain in the final episode.

We all know that the choice to leave Junie on the show was not ethically or morally motivated at all. It’s all about the ratings. Week-by-week I would guess that more people were tuning in to see what he would do next. Without Junie on the show, Dana White and the producers probably assumed the ratings would suffer.

The show is not designed to be focused around morally upstanding values. It is designed for entertainment. In my opinion, it’s really not even designed for the hardcore MMA fan. If Junie’s tantrums weren’t entertaining, I don’t know what was.

]]> By: Curtis http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/12/05/junie-not-at-fault/comment-page-1/#comment-3516 Curtis Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:19:11 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=1484#comment-3516 Phoenix, Would I be stupid if I was for hiring athletes after being in trouble or causing trouble? Three of the most prolific athletes in history have all had problems with the law... Michael Jordan (Gambling), Pete Rose (Gambling), Wayne Gretzky, Lawrence Taylor, and Barry Bonds. All of those athletes have had run ins and have been given a second chance (minus Rose). Plus those are pretty much the best to ever play in their sport... NO I AM NOT SAYING JUNIE IS... I do not condone the things that Junie did at all. He should have been kicked off the show on the 3rd episode. However that doesn't mean that we should banish him from the sport and not give him the benefit of the doubt or the chance to change his ways... Phoenix,
Would I be stupid if I was for hiring athletes after being in trouble or causing trouble? Three of the most prolific athletes in history have all had problems with the law… Michael Jordan (Gambling), Pete Rose (Gambling), Wayne Gretzky, Lawrence Taylor, and Barry Bonds. All of those athletes have had run ins and have been given a second chance (minus Rose). Plus those are pretty much the best to ever play in their sport… NO I AM NOT SAYING JUNIE IS…

I do not condone the things that Junie did at all. He should have been kicked off the show on the 3rd episode. However that doesn’t mean that we should banish him from the sport and not give him the benefit of the doubt or the chance to change his ways…

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