Why in the world are you even responding to Glen Earl? Seriously. Do you even believe he believes what he is saying? He is just here to tick people off. You have convincingly proven Glenn “I got cut by the Texans” Earl is delusional if he believes what he is saying. No one who has watched Fedor and Anderson fight could possibly believe there is any substantial difference in their fighting skill. Both of these guys stand out from the crowd. Ignore him.

and just because he a phd doesn’t mean he can’t get fed up with all you guys fedor this, fedor greatest that…. and if your gonna say that the only good fighters he fought from the last 4 yr are hendo, franklin and marqart then all you can really say were good from fedor the last 4 yr was bignog. that mean silva is at least 3 times better right to me. plus, fedor is unexciting, lay and pray, ground pound and sub. silva is dynamic, striking, muay thai and beat hendo and luter at their own game on the ground. hes right… right now there is no contest and if you read the quote above -far & away the greatest fighter- then that is ridiculous. j sin you tryin to make all this other sh^t issues and nobody cares. get a life.

“Im sorry, but lets throw out the P4P bullcrap. He isn’t, nor will he ever be able to be in the same house as Anderson Silva. Look at thier opponents win/loss records on sherdog. Andersons opponents have more than DOUBLE the wins and half the losses that Fedors do!”

You are either disingenuous, incapable of basic math or like to talk with hyperbole. Silva’s opponents over all of his fights have a record of 444-205. Fedor’s opponents have a record of 470-245 of all of his fights (http://www.sherdog.com note that the NC for Fedor/Nog was discounted). The relative percentage of win/loss is 68.4% for Silva and 65.7% for Fedor. Only in the soft sciences would this be considered double the wins and half the losses. Good thing your rates aren’t charged for arithmetic. 80 of the numbers in Silva’s win column come from his fight against Jeremy Horn. Not particularly important, but an interesting bit of info for those who follow such things.

Your inability to follow the multiple responses to your posts is more of a problem for you. I certainly hope your patients aren’t burdened by your deficiencies (man, this insulting thing is fun, right on DOC!). And as my post never were focused on proving that Fedor was number 1 but rather simply indicating that the case for Anderson Silva is not significantly stronger (and that your quest for a rational discussion isn’t aided by unfounded opinions, failure to cite, false information and name calling) you apparently suffer from at least as much an inability to follow a topic as you claim that I do.

Only a clown of the first order could make a point or pose a query and then claim it is irrelevant or dismiss the concept when it is addressed. I’m sure that was the debating style in whatever elite institution of learning you would claim to descend from (damn… I was so wrong about this insult thing!!!)

Oh, and one for the road “I think the statement was ridiculous and I believe I have proven that.” your opinion.

Isn’t it funny, we know they are flies, but we still have to swat.

I’m sorry too my friend… I’m sure we could have whispered sweet insults to each other for at least another page or two.

Not to repeat myself, but I responded to the original blog which contended that Fedor was “without a doubt the greatest fighter”. I guess based on his recent demolition of a HW that left the UFC after losing 2 of his last 4 fights(The 2nd “quality” opponent he has had in 4 years).

I think the statement was ridiculous and I believe I have proven that.
So far your the most opposition to the position that has come forth. Sad

I think you made a valiant effort, but you got rolled up in the details a little too much my friend. Maybe next time

You continue to state that Anderson Silva’s opponents are in the top 10. Yet in your initial post on the issue you did not cite a source for this contention. When I bring up WAMMA you claim that it lacks the standing of others. It still has more standing than your opinion, regardless of how accurate you think that opinion may be. I make this point and then you don’t see the relevance of it. Not surprising, but mildly amusing.

In reference to yahoo “Yes, I agreed with their ranking then and now. Wasted text.” Your opinion (see it is annoying isn’t it). Not sure how it is wasted text to try and understand your feelings regarding the rating body you brought up or the validity of their opinion on Fedor being number 2 in the world.

In response to my W/L post you state this, “Ok, thats great information but how does it apply to the discussion?” I think it speaks to this “Im sorry, but lets throw out the P4P bullcrap. He isn’t, nor will he ever be able to be in the same house as Anderson Silva. Look at thier opponents win/loss records on sherdog. Andersons opponents have more than DOUBLE the wins and half the losses that Fedors do!” and this “P4P in MMA, should be the same as P4P in boxing. It should be based on achievements in the sport. Win/Loss records, opponents, classes and true rankings.” So, feel free to cite the numbers you calculated up. I picked the 4 year/9 fight area since that seemed to be where we were bouncing around at.

Once again… cite something. I cited the Barnett situation in reply to your opinion that statements regarding Barnett were conjecture. Then you drop this blurb Again, my friend. “Please focus!. I could care less about Barnett!, my reference to Barnett was past-tense. It is well know that in Pride, where they both fought for many years at the same time. That Fedor avoided a match with Barnett(amongst others)and chose considerably lesser opponents instead. A moot point!”. If it is such common knowledge then please cite something that indicates it. And if Barnett doesn’t matter then why keep responding to statements about him?

“Ok, thats an interesting analysis and opinion. Interesting as well how I drop a few metaphorical references that are used quite often on the internet to descirbe the die hard Fedor fans and you key in on them pretty hard, even adding some I didn’t write, what are you trying to say here?, or is this some fetish that is gettin you hot?. Please, take it elsewhere if you can my friend.” Simply find it interesting that someone who wants facts and discussion laces his posts with insults and opinion. It is irrational, but that is ok, this is the internet.

“Im not talking about the last 9 opponents, Im talking about opponents in the last 4 years. See, in order to be called the “greatest fighter” we need to discuss what has been done “lately”. A fighter needs to be “active”, right?” Either way is fairly arbitrary. If you wanted to compare 1 year and I picked 9 fights we would be far apart. In the 4 year period you pick Silva lost twice. Perhaps you want to choose a different time frame. I concede that Silva has fought more frequently as of late and that I hope to see Fedor, and all fighters for that matter, fight more frequently.

So my very focused friend and nixer of all things Fryklund I think we have each had our say here and that we can leave it to others to judge the relative merits. Perhaps we can rejoin the conversation after January when at least one of the gentlemen in question has had another fight and there are new facts to ingest.

The internet gods ate my first reply to this… so, you get my second and less motivated effort. Though to either I’m sure the reply would be 1) your opinion 2) focus 3) not relevant to my ideas of the discussion 4) opinion…

Anyway, fun was had by all. Peace out Dr. Phil.

‘I would argue though that overall, Silvas wins over opponents would be of higher caliber in general than would Fedor’s’ Your opinion (see I can do this too).

‘Silva carries 205 pretty good. Fedor could easily come down to around 215 and I would love to see such a match. Am I going to make a prediction?, no. But I would love to watch it. Will it happen?, I doubt it” Your opinion… (boring isn’t it)

‘Im not talking about the last 9 opponents, Im talking about opponents in the last 4 years. See, in order to be called the “greatest fighter” we need to discuss what has been done “lately”. A fighter needs to be “active”, right?’ 9 fights or 9 years, both are fairly arbitrary times to pick and both are pretty close to being in the same time frame. If you look over the 4 years you find Anderson Silva has 2 losses during that period. If you were trying to argue based on the last year and I picked 9 fights then there would be a substantial difference. Silva has been more active obviously which is why he moved up to number 1 with no objections from me. I hope to see more from Fedor in MMA as opposed to other sports. I wish all the fighters would find their way to the ring more.

I don’t comment on spelling unless someone brings up how intelligent they must be for holding degrees that bear no relevance to the discussion. I wouldn’t have commented at all if you had left your claim to your skill at martial arts.

“Also, how you ignore all the “facts” that I point out such as records, opponents win/loss columns. The fact that he has beaten 1 top ten fighter in the last 4 years to Andersons 8!” Your non referenced comment. Complaining that WAMMA was inadequate when you previously had appealed to nothing but your own thoughts on the level of competition invalidates your complaint. If you had said “according to x body of independent experts at http://www.com Silva’s opponents were ranked higher’ then you would have cause to compare that board to WAMMA. Your opinion on the quality of the opponents is simply that, an opinion. Comparing Yahoo to WAMMA is a better attempt that you finally chose to make.

“Ok, thats an interesting analysis and opinion. Interesting as well how I drop a few metaphorical references that are used quite often on the internet to descirbe the die hard Fedor fans and you key in on them pretty hard, even adding some I didn’t write, what are you trying to say here?, or is this some fetish that is gettin you hot?. Please, take it elsewhere if you can my friend.”

Just wondering why someone crying for facts and discussion laces his posts with insults, emotion and opinion. It is irrational, but that is fine… it is the internet.

The only fact you have is that currently Silva is ranked over Fedor in the Yahoo poll and that the Yahoo poll is a well regarded one. You still have no citations on the fighters you claim were in the top 10 with the exception of the ones everyone would agree were, Franklin, Hendo and Marquardt.

You say the following after my comparison of W/L records, ‘Ok, thats great information but how does it apply to the discussion?’ But then in the post prior make this point ‘Thats all, and BTW, P4P in MMA, should be the same as P4P in boxing. It should be based on achievements in the sport. Win/Loss records, opponents, classes and true rankings.’ You also made this point in one of your earlier posts “Im sorry, but lets throw out the P4P bullcrap. He isn’t, nor will he ever be able to be in the same house as Anderson Silva. Look at thier opponents win/loss records on sherdog. Andersons opponents have more than DOUBLE the wins and half the losses that Fedors do!” So calculate and cite your number like I did. It speaks to an aspect of the opponents which is quantifiable. I would think it would be fairly evident how looking at that statistic would relate to the fight. I’m sure if Fedor’s indicated that his opponents had a record of 10-160 we would both agree that his opponents were fairly weak without further investigation. If Silva’s opponents were 10-160 would you think they had been top 10? It is simply a piece of evidence. It can go into the hat along with the comparative won/loss record of Fedor and Silva and the relative rankings of various sporting authorities. Taken as a whole most would concede that they are very close to each other and be content to let the future play out.

“Again, my friend. Please focus!. I could care less about Barnett!, my reference to Barnett was past-tense. It is well know that in Pride, where they both fought for many years at the same time. That Fedor avoided a match with Barnett(amongst others)and chose considerably lesser opponents instead. A moot point!” Cite or withdraw. I brought Barnett up as part of my agreement with the initial article as well as to lay the case for where Fedor logically will have the opportunity to pick up the wins that will close the apparent gap some have between him and Silva. You retort that my statement on Barnett was opinion. So I cite the article. You state something you claim to be common knowledge minus any verification. Feel free to get busy with citing… or not.

You state things like this “Coleman, Randleman, Fujita, Goodridge and the like were all on the definate downside of their career and had been beaten many times by much lesser fighters. Sobral, Lindland & Arona were seriously undersized and really don’t apply.” Yet you seem to have no problem with Yahoo having Fedor ranked as number 2 in the world. That does not make much sense. “But seriously, Yes, I agreed with their ranking then and now. Wasted text.” And I fail how it is wasted text to try and ascertain your feelings on the rating body you brought into the conversation.

So, my very focused friend and nixer of all things Frykylund for whatever reason… we have each had our say. Others can judge the merits of the case as they will. Perhaps we can rejoin the conversation after Jan when at least one of the gentlemen will have had another fight and there will be new information to digest. Until then continue the fight against nuthuggery, balls and butts!