Comments on: The Big Shows Give Big Problems; Others Give Solutions http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/ MMA Opinion and Cheap MMA Gear Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:45:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Andrej http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-1012 Andrej Sat, 31 May 2008 21:54:13 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-1012 If Affliction survives after 2 to 3 event's ofcourse. I don't think I will buy the ppv. I just can't pay money to watch Tim Sylvia fight after I've seen his Fights with Jeff Monson and Andre Arlovski 3. He just dosen't sell it for me. That reason could hurt the buyrate alone. Know the WEC fight cards and Dream Card's are where I'm enjoying the most. You can't go wrong with Shinya Aoki vs Anyone and Jason Miller vs Ronald Jacare. If Affliction survives after 2 to 3 event’s ofcourse. I don’t think I will buy the ppv. I just can’t pay money to watch Tim Sylvia fight after I’ve seen his Fights with Jeff Monson and Andre Arlovski 3. He just dosen’t sell it for me.
That reason could hurt the buyrate alone.

Know the WEC fight cards and Dream Card’s are where I’m enjoying the most. You can’t go wrong with Shinya Aoki vs Anyone and Jason Miller vs Ronald Jacare.

]]> By: Josh "The IronMan" Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-1006 Josh "The IronMan" Stein Sat, 31 May 2008 16:35:26 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-1006 Shane, I've got no problem with them running better cards with more time between. My problem with the UFC is that they could be giving us great cards all the time, and they put out a crappy product with events like UFC 85 and the TUF finale. Affliction is putting out a killer product and that makes me really happy. Brandt, I agree with you on what Afflictions gameplan should be, and I think that's what they're gonna do. Shane, I’ve got no problem with them running better cards with more time between. My problem with the UFC is that they could be giving us great cards all the time, and they put out a crappy product with events like UFC 85 and the TUF finale. Affliction is putting out a killer product and that makes me really happy.

Brandt, I agree with you on what Afflictions gameplan should be, and I think that’s what they’re gonna do.

]]> By: Brandt http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-1001 Brandt Sat, 31 May 2008 13:40:33 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-1001 While I wouldn't complain about the card, I would experience big-event withdrawl. Its fun to watch small shows, but its good to see a big promotion consistently. Couture has what, $100 million or so to spend? That should be plenty for a years worth of MMA. I hope he doesn't blow all his money like Calvin Ayre did. Patience is the key. The market is filled with monthly shows so Affliction needs to fill voids. Anytime the UFC is out of the country, Affliction can be there to give us those big fights. That's how they can get their foot in the door. I'm afraid a couple of back to back huge shows will just hurt them. Offer some free TV events, cheap admission, and find new venues where MMA is new. While I wouldn’t complain about the card, I would experience big-event withdrawl. Its fun to watch small shows, but its good to see a big promotion consistently. Couture has what, $100 million or so to spend? That should be plenty for a years worth of MMA. I hope he doesn’t blow all his money like Calvin Ayre did. Patience is the key. The market is filled with monthly shows so Affliction needs to fill voids. Anytime the UFC is out of the country, Affliction can be there to give us those big fights. That’s how they can get their foot in the door. I’m afraid a couple of back to back huge shows will just hurt them. Offer some free TV events, cheap admission, and find new venues where MMA is new.

]]> By: Shane http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-997 Shane Sat, 31 May 2008 04:52:09 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-997 I'd like to see Affliction try to maintain stacking cards as heavy as Banned if they run one or sometimes even two events per month like UFC does. Could you imagine if UFC only ran a card every 2-3 months? You'd get Silva vs Henderson, GSP vs Serra, Penn vs Sherk and fights with Wanderlei Silva, Franklin and Tito Ortiz all on the same event! I’d like to see Affliction try to maintain stacking cards as heavy as Banned if they run one or sometimes even two events per month like UFC does. Could you imagine if UFC only ran a card every 2-3 months? You’d get Silva vs Henderson, GSP vs Serra, Penn vs Sherk and fights with Wanderlei Silva, Franklin and Tito Ortiz all on the same event!

]]> By: Curtis http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-996 Curtis Sat, 31 May 2008 04:00:00 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-996 I think the Hughes card will produce solid fights. Just because the fights don't consist of guys with big names, does not mean they wont be exciting. I recently talked to Matt Hughes and he will be ready for the fight. He is doing two a days and is in great shape! Look to him to be pre-GSP form! I think the Hughes card will produce solid fights. Just because the fights don’t consist of guys with big names, does not mean they wont be exciting.

I recently talked to Matt Hughes and he will be ready for the fight. He is doing two a days and is in great shape! Look to him to be pre-GSP form!

]]> By: Curtis http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-994 Curtis Sat, 31 May 2008 03:57:08 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-994 I think with the Sylvia vs. Fedor is worth the PPV, I will buy it on that alone. I also think I am not alone in the fact that I want to see Fedor finally fight someone that is a proven fighter. It has been too long since he has, and it could hurt him. I think with the Sylvia vs. Fedor is worth the PPV, I will buy it on that alone. I also think I am not alone in the fact that I want to see Fedor finally fight someone that is a proven fighter. It has been too long since he has, and it could hurt him.

]]> By: Brandt http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-993 Brandt Sat, 31 May 2008 01:51:33 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-993 I'm surprised that so many known fighters are on the first Affliction card, but will people still buy it? I'm afraid we'll have another epic PPV failure ala Bodog. I’m surprised that so many known fighters are on the first Affliction card, but will people still buy it? I’m afraid we’ll have another epic PPV failure ala Bodog.

]]> By: Josh "The IronMan" Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-992 Josh "The IronMan" Stein Fri, 30 May 2008 19:00:16 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-992 Bob, you're only making my point more, and while I agree with what you say about Eastman, I don't agree that Horn has been boring. He's a fun fighter to watch, for those of us who like submissions. Spark plug fighters don't generally have trouble in MMA, though they often lack versatility. Sherk was a champion for a while, and a top tier guy for a long time. There are a handful of other, more obscure examples, but there are so few fighters with that build in MMA, their population at the top is about propoertional. Hughes/Alves is a mismatch because Thiago hardly has the grappling credibility to make this a fight. They want a striker v grappler matchup, but really this is going to be Matt Hughes doing what he always does: take him down, hit him a little and submit him. The fight shouldn't headline because Thiago is hardly a serious rising star in this division (really, I don't understand why people think he deserves this fight more than Davis, or a handful of other top 170 pounders) and while he has potential, it's not good to put him in with a fighter like Hughes. And even if Hughes wins, who cares? He can't fight GSP, so the best they can say their doing is establishing a top gatekeeper, and that shouldn't be the kind of fight that headlines a card. Bob, if you haven't heard of the Japanese guys I'm mentioning, that's fine. These are guys, though, that are top ten fighters in their divisions and some of them are considerably better than the guys fighting in the American market. (Aoki, for instance, is probably the best submission fighter at 155 pounds, and Jacare is certainly one of the top two at 185) The Affliction card, though, really is a high quality product, whether you only recognize the names of the relatively recent UFC fighters on it or not. The fact that Arlovski, Sylvia, Fedor, Barnett, Aleks and Rizzo are all on this card says alot for the quality of this product and gives us at least 4 fights that I care about. Bob, you’re only making my point more, and while I agree with what you say about Eastman, I don’t agree that Horn has been boring. He’s a fun fighter to watch, for those of us who like submissions.

Spark plug fighters don’t generally have trouble in MMA, though they often lack versatility. Sherk was a champion for a while, and a top tier guy for a long time. There are a handful of other, more obscure examples, but there are so few fighters with that build in MMA, their population at the top is about propoertional.

Hughes/Alves is a mismatch because Thiago hardly has the grappling credibility to make this a fight. They want a striker v grappler matchup, but really this is going to be Matt Hughes doing what he always does: take him down, hit him a little and submit him.

The fight shouldn’t headline because Thiago is hardly a serious rising star in this division (really, I don’t understand why people think he deserves this fight more than Davis, or a handful of other top 170 pounders) and while he has potential, it’s not good to put him in with a fighter like Hughes. And even if Hughes wins, who cares? He can’t fight GSP, so the best they can say their doing is establishing a top gatekeeper, and that shouldn’t be the kind of fight that headlines a card.

Bob, if you haven’t heard of the Japanese guys I’m mentioning, that’s fine. These are guys, though, that are top ten fighters in their divisions and some of them are considerably better than the guys fighting in the American market. (Aoki, for instance, is probably the best submission fighter at 155 pounds, and Jacare is certainly one of the top two at 185)

The Affliction card, though, really is a high quality product, whether you only recognize the names of the relatively recent UFC fighters on it or not. The fact that Arlovski, Sylvia, Fedor, Barnett, Aleks and Rizzo are all on this card says alot for the quality of this product and gives us at least 4 fights that I care about.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-991 Chuck Fri, 30 May 2008 18:47:02 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-991 Check out Fightlinker's list of the casualties from the UFC 85 card. It's pretty ridiculous how many fighters were injured or otherwise and had to pull out. I'm actually pretty impressed that the UFC managed to pull together a relatively good card considering all the crap they went through. http://fightlinker.com/blog/?p=2372 With that said you're right that there's a lot of great cards elsewhere to look forward to. A good time to be a fan of MMA indeed. Check out Fightlinker’s list of the casualties from the UFC 85 card. It’s pretty ridiculous how many fighters were injured or otherwise and had to pull out. I’m actually pretty impressed that the UFC managed to pull together a relatively good card considering all the crap they went through.

http://fightlinker.com/blog/?p=2372

With that said you’re right that there’s a lot of great cards elsewhere to look forward to. A good time to be a fan of MMA indeed.

]]> By: Bob Holness http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/30/big-shows-big-problems/comment-page-1/#comment-990 Bob Holness Fri, 30 May 2008 17:37:10 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/?p=581#comment-990 I'm afraid i don't agree with everything here. I certainly don't think these two fights will be that interesting: McFedries vs. Eastman and Lister vs. Horn. Eastman has shown his lack of talent again and again in the octagon and horn has been a fairly dull fighter for quite some time. As an aside is it just me or do fighters with short arms and big muscles seem to have difficulty in general in MMA: Eastman, Sherk (recently), Monson. People seem to like critisicing EliteXC and the UFC for just about anything, as if it was demonstrating some kind of expertise. Personally I am looking forward to the robbie lawler/Smith fight and even the Baroni spectacle, because it's going to be good entertainment. I do agree that having Hughes headlining is a bit of a miss, and that Werdum V Vera is going to be a cracker of a fight and most probably the best fight on the card. I haven't heard of the Japenese guys you mention, sorry and can you please explain why the Hughes/Alves fight is such a mismatch? I’m afraid i don’t agree with everything here. I certainly don’t think these two fights will be that interesting: McFedries vs. Eastman and Lister vs. Horn. Eastman has shown his lack of talent again and again in the octagon and horn has been a fairly dull fighter for quite some time. As an aside is it just me or do fighters with short arms and big muscles seem to have difficulty in general in MMA: Eastman, Sherk (recently), Monson.
People seem to like critisicing EliteXC and the UFC for just about anything, as if it was demonstrating some kind of expertise. Personally I am looking forward to the robbie lawler/Smith fight and even the Baroni spectacle, because it’s going to be good entertainment. I do agree that having Hughes headlining is a bit of a miss, and that Werdum V Vera is going to be a cracker of a fight and most probably the best fight on the card. I haven’t heard of the Japenese guys you mention, sorry and can you please explain why the Hughes/Alves fight is such a mismatch?

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