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		<title>By: Brandt DeLorenzo</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandt DeLorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not one of those guys who wants to see an all out brawl between two fighters with different styles. I just wanted to see a fight and I don&#039;t think Machida brings the fight to any of his bouts these days.

You don&#039;t need to show that you didn&#039;t get hit just to win a fight (as Ortiz nearly ended it all with that triangle choke). You have to remember that kicks carry a different range than punches. I&#039;m interested to see the CompuStrike stats for this fight because the stats for the Sokoudjou fight were pretty low. Machida threw 3 punches in round 1 and none in round 2. He threw a total of 14 leg kicks. His fight with Nakamura stated more strikes were thrown overall, but again most were on the ground.

Again, he&#039;s a fighter and he wins, but it&#039;s only going to take him so far in MMA. There&#039;s politics, bullshit, and favoritism for the fighters who bring in the excitement and the money - the entertainment aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not one of those guys who wants to see an all out brawl between two fighters with different styles. I just wanted to see a fight and I don&#8217;t think Machida brings the fight to any of his bouts these days.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t need to show that you didn&#8217;t get hit just to win a fight (as Ortiz nearly ended it all with that triangle choke). You have to remember that kicks carry a different range than punches. I&#8217;m interested to see the CompuStrike stats for this fight because the stats for the Sokoudjou fight were pretty low. Machida threw 3 punches in round 1 and none in round 2. He threw a total of 14 leg kicks. His fight with Nakamura stated more strikes were thrown overall, but again most were on the ground.</p>
<p>Again, he&#8217;s a fighter and he wins, but it&#8217;s only going to take him so far in MMA. There&#8217;s politics, bullshit, and favoritism for the fighters who bring in the excitement and the money &#8211; the entertainment aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: Vee</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-921</link>
		<dc:creator>Vee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving in a lateral position is totally different than back pedaling. Taking Tito to the ground and grounding and pounding him is . . . I don&#039;t know you fill in the blanks.

Hmmm . . . did you see Tito&#039;s fight against Wanderlei? That&#039;s running. Or how about Tito against Chuck. If anything else, let&#039;s talk about Chuck. Rampage was a little frustrated with Chuck&#039;s defensive-counter punching-lateral movement. Well that was until Chuck reached in for a body shot too early in the 1st round and got caught.

Let&#039;s not fault a fighter for not having enough KO power. Either way, I wonder how Tito got those cuts on his face? I can easily see how Machida polarizes his UFC fans. I only saw the fight once but, do you remember any offense from Tito? At all? I would figure a stronger cardio guy like Tito should be able to rush in and do something? No, he did get thrown around like a rag-doll. And what happened to Soukoujou&#039;s highly touted judo? It got nullified.

Many boxing fans don&#039;t like Mayweather Jr.&#039;s style and they didn&#039;t Pernell Whitaker&#039;s style . . . because they rarely engaged in all out brawls. While all-out brawls are great for fans, the damage done to the athlete can really impact their careers down the road. Mayweather gives maximum damage but he also does not have pure KO power. And hey, while I&#039;m a Mayweather fan because of his style and skills . . . I can&#039;t wait for someone to stop him in the ring. Not by decision. It would also be cool to see someone really put Machida in a difficult position where&#039;s he&#039;s force to unleash more of his arsenal.

Muhammad Ali did a little bit of both. Stick and move, bob and weave, jab and get out. He also went toe to toe, again and again.

&lt;b&gt;BJ Penn&#039;s striking was PURE BEAUTY!! He&#039;s in a totally different class. He jabbed and quickly got out Sherk&#039;s range. Sherk didn&#039;t have enough time to land a decent shot. Great!&lt;/b&gt;

Machida vs Evans will definitely become a snooze-fest because Evans really doesn&#039;t engage. He&#039;s tries to be technical but doesn&#039;t have what it takes to do anything when he has an opponent on the ground.

In the end, let&#039;s see what happens when a fighter beats Machida. Next up . . . Thiago Silva vs. Lyoto Machida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving in a lateral position is totally different than back pedaling. Taking Tito to the ground and grounding and pounding him is . . . I don&#8217;t know you fill in the blanks.</p>
<p>Hmmm . . . did you see Tito&#8217;s fight against Wanderlei? That&#8217;s running. Or how about Tito against Chuck. If anything else, let&#8217;s talk about Chuck. Rampage was a little frustrated with Chuck&#8217;s defensive-counter punching-lateral movement. Well that was until Chuck reached in for a body shot too early in the 1st round and got caught.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not fault a fighter for not having enough KO power. Either way, I wonder how Tito got those cuts on his face? I can easily see how Machida polarizes his UFC fans. I only saw the fight once but, do you remember any offense from Tito? At all? I would figure a stronger cardio guy like Tito should be able to rush in and do something? No, he did get thrown around like a rag-doll. And what happened to Soukoujou&#8217;s highly touted judo? It got nullified.</p>
<p>Many boxing fans don&#8217;t like Mayweather Jr.&#8217;s style and they didn&#8217;t Pernell Whitaker&#8217;s style . . . because they rarely engaged in all out brawls. While all-out brawls are great for fans, the damage done to the athlete can really impact their careers down the road. Mayweather gives maximum damage but he also does not have pure KO power. And hey, while I&#8217;m a Mayweather fan because of his style and skills . . . I can&#8217;t wait for someone to stop him in the ring. Not by decision. It would also be cool to see someone really put Machida in a difficult position where&#8217;s he&#8217;s force to unleash more of his arsenal.</p>
<p>Muhammad Ali did a little bit of both. Stick and move, bob and weave, jab and get out. He also went toe to toe, again and again.</p>
<p><b>BJ Penn&#8217;s striking was PURE BEAUTY!! He&#8217;s in a totally different class. He jabbed and quickly got out Sherk&#8217;s range. Sherk didn&#8217;t have enough time to land a decent shot. Great!</b></p>
<p>Machida vs Evans will definitely become a snooze-fest because Evans really doesn&#8217;t engage. He&#8217;s tries to be technical but doesn&#8217;t have what it takes to do anything when he has an opponent on the ground.</p>
<p>In the end, let&#8217;s see what happens when a fighter beats Machida. Next up . . . Thiago Silva vs. Lyoto Machida.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis Clontz</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-920</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis Clontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anrej, 
  An arsenal of kicks?  The only kicks of the night that impressed me came from Reljic.  

kalib Starnes?  where is fighting again?  Good comparison because if Machida keeps using this strategy he is only riding his time.

I also don&#039;t think he outclassed Tito.  He hd a gameplan, boring but usefull.  He did win and I commend his use of the referees to achieve a decision, but you can&#039;t say you enjoyed that fight...can you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anrej,<br />
  An arsenal of kicks?  The only kicks of the night that impressed me came from Reljic.  </p>
<p>kalib Starnes?  where is fighting again?  Good comparison because if Machida keeps using this strategy he is only riding his time.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t think he outclassed Tito.  He hd a gameplan, boring but usefull.  He did win and I commend his use of the referees to achieve a decision, but you can&#8217;t say you enjoyed that fight&#8230;can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrej</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 01:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also have to disagree with the article calling Machida Boring. Lyoto Won his last bout with Soukodjou with a submission and used an arsenal of kick&#039;s against Tito Ortiz. He used low kicks that made Ortiz&#039;s legs look really red and threw Tito Ortiz around like a rag doll. So Why the hate? Have you ever seen Kalib Starnes try anything like that in his fight with Nate Quarry. Rewatch the fight and tell me in your honest opinion who landed the most shots in the fight and then tell me who was boring and outclassed. Answer is Tito Ortiz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also have to disagree with the article calling Machida Boring. Lyoto Won his last bout with Soukodjou with a submission and used an arsenal of kick&#8217;s against Tito Ortiz. He used low kicks that made Ortiz&#8217;s legs look really red and threw Tito Ortiz around like a rag doll. So Why the hate? Have you ever seen Kalib Starnes try anything like that in his fight with Nate Quarry. Rewatch the fight and tell me in your honest opinion who landed the most shots in the fight and then tell me who was boring and outclassed. Answer is Tito Ortiz.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rampage is a far better fighter now than he was then, I don&#039;t know if I can say that about Wand, but I still would love to see this fight.

Throw in Rampage, Liddell, Wand, and Griffin in any combination and you have the makings of an exciting fight...

How about Machida vs Evans for a battle of boredom?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rampage is a far better fighter now than he was then, I don&#8217;t know if I can say that about Wand, but I still would love to see this fight.</p>
<p>Throw in Rampage, Liddell, Wand, and Griffin in any combination and you have the makings of an exciting fight&#8230;</p>
<p>How about Machida vs Evans for a battle of boredom?</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-914</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with being a boring fighter that just slides by is that when he loses (and he will!), especially if it is 2 in a row he could be cut.  Dana White and the UFC wants fighters the fans want to see fight, that is exciting and explosive.

Machida will make a solid fighter and possible champ in a second tier organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with being a boring fighter that just slides by is that when he loses (and he will!), especially if it is 2 in a row he could be cut.  Dana White and the UFC wants fighters the fans want to see fight, that is exciting and explosive.</p>
<p>Machida will make a solid fighter and possible champ in a second tier organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandt</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-913</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yes I would also like to see Silva fight the winner of Griffin/Rampage. I&#039;m thinking that will be Rampage (I&#039;ll be safe and assume a KO)  which would set up a great post-Pride fight between the two. Silva has destroyed Rampage in the past and it if the UFC hypes that fight properly, it could rival the Liddell/Jackson fight from last summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yes I would also like to see Silva fight the winner of Griffin/Rampage. I&#8217;m thinking that will be Rampage (I&#8217;ll be safe and assume a KO)  which would set up a great post-Pride fight between the two. Silva has destroyed Rampage in the past and it if the UFC hypes that fight properly, it could rival the Liddell/Jackson fight from last summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandt</title>
		<link>http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/05/25/ufc-84the-day-after/comment-page-1/#comment-912</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say that it was BJ Penn who showed us how to hit without suffering the damage. If Machida impressed you, Penn must have blown your minds! Doing just enough to win a fight is not impressive; but it is smart if you feel you can&#039;t overpower your opponent in any aspect of the fight. Its good for him to win without getting hurt, but it won&#039;t gaurantee Machida a spot in the UFC for long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say that it was BJ Penn who showed us how to hit without suffering the damage. If Machida impressed you, Penn must have blown your minds! Doing just enough to win a fight is not impressive; but it is smart if you feel you can&#8217;t overpower your opponent in any aspect of the fight. Its good for him to win without getting hurt, but it won&#8217;t gaurantee Machida a spot in the UFC for long.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 18:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish more people liked Machida, .. I really enjoy watching how skilled he. . the guy is a firkin master!!.. I thought a few times that it actually looked like he was fighting “drunken master” style..   It also goes to show that the UFC is more focused more on entertainment than finding the best.  
P.S. if I was a fighter,. and I’m not … I would fight like Machida.. I mean who wants to get hit in the face if they don’t have to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish more people liked Machida, .. I really enjoy watching how skilled he. . the guy is a firkin master!!.. I thought a few times that it actually looked like he was fighting “drunken master” style..   It also goes to show that the UFC is more focused more on entertainment than finding the best.<br />
P.S. if I was a fighter,. and I’m not … I would fight like Machida.. I mean who wants to get hit in the face if they don’t have to.</p>
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		<title>By: Vox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 17:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Vee...hitting your opponent while not getting hit yourself is the epitome of the perfect fighter...and Machida is as close to that as anybody has ever been in the Cage.

Sure, it&#039;s more emotionally electrifying to see Wandy and Jardine stand in front of each other and just bang until somebody falls, but...Machida is technically the best fighter in MMA...why? Because nobody can hurt him, and he&#039;s hurt everybody he&#039;s been up against.

Yes, he has no real power (I think his only KO was when he put Rich Franklin to sleep), but...have you ever seen the face of his opponents after a fight? Every single one of them ends up with bruises, always. 

Calling Machida boring or saying he runs just shows a lack of understanding of what fighting is all about, IMNSHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Vee&#8230;hitting your opponent while not getting hit yourself is the epitome of the perfect fighter&#8230;and Machida is as close to that as anybody has ever been in the Cage.</p>
<p>Sure, it&#8217;s more emotionally electrifying to see Wandy and Jardine stand in front of each other and just bang until somebody falls, but&#8230;Machida is technically the best fighter in MMA&#8230;why? Because nobody can hurt him, and he&#8217;s hurt everybody he&#8217;s been up against.</p>
<p>Yes, he has no real power (I think his only KO was when he put Rich Franklin to sleep), but&#8230;have you ever seen the face of his opponents after a fight? Every single one of them ends up with bruises, always. </p>
<p>Calling Machida boring or saying he runs just shows a lack of understanding of what fighting is all about, IMNSHO.</p>
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