Comments on: The Fall of Boxing: Good For Us, Bad For Them http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/ MMA Opinion and Cheap MMA Gear Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:45:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Josh Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-1676 Josh Stein Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:23:05 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-1676 Dan, guys take punishment all the time. Brandt cited Fry vs. Takayama, which is a classic, but even the classic boxing bouts were about taking punishment. There are plenty of guys that can take hits, in boxing and in kickboxing and MMA. The problem is that boxer's are too concerned about how pretty their face will look in that mini-article they'll get in SI if they win a title. Fighting, whether we want to call it pugilism or brawling, is great to watch because of the visceral, unpredictable nature of the sport. When boxers mar the face and reputation of combat sports by refusing to fight, they are no better than Kalib Starnes, men guilty of the cardinal sin of fighting. That sin is cowardice, and I have no tolerance for it. No great warrior, whether in the ring or the cage or in any capacity of life (from the boardroom to the battlefield) has built a legend by being a pussy. The fact that the modern boxer believes he can do that has been the greatest contributor to the demise of the sport in the mainstream and may, in the very longterm, result in its failure as an industry. Dan, guys take punishment all the time. Brandt cited Fry vs. Takayama, which is a classic, but even the classic boxing bouts were about taking punishment. There are plenty of guys that can take hits, in boxing and in kickboxing and MMA. The problem is that boxer’s are too concerned about how pretty their face will look in that mini-article they’ll get in SI if they win a title.

Fighting, whether we want to call it pugilism or brawling, is great to watch because of the visceral, unpredictable nature of the sport. When boxers mar the face and reputation of combat sports by refusing to fight, they are no better than Kalib Starnes, men guilty of the cardinal sin of fighting.

That sin is cowardice, and I have no tolerance for it. No great warrior, whether in the ring or the cage or in any capacity of life (from the boardroom to the battlefield) has built a legend by being a pussy. The fact that the modern boxer believes he can do that has been the greatest contributor to the demise of the sport in the mainstream and may, in the very longterm, result in its failure as an industry.

]]> By: Brandt DeLorenzo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-529 Brandt DeLorenzo Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:27:01 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-529 Sure they can. Watch some more standup wars in MMA. Go watch Frye and Takayama beat the crap out of each other before you do a replay of the Huerta/Guida fight and Wand vs. Liddell. MMA fighters these days are providing some more exciting standup than the boxing guys. Sure they can. Watch some more standup wars in MMA. Go watch Frye and Takayama beat the crap out of each other before you do a replay of the Huerta/Guida fight and Wand vs. Liddell. MMA fighters these days are providing some more exciting standup than the boxing guys.

]]> By: Dan http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-528 Dan Fri, 04 Apr 2008 02:43:26 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-528 What you are all forgetting , is boxing is about being able to hit, and not get hit back, sure in a fantasy world, rocky v ivan drago are heroes, in reality, noone could take such punishment in the ring. What you are all forgetting , is boxing is about being able to hit, and not get hit back, sure in a fantasy world, rocky v ivan drago are heroes, in reality, noone could take such punishment in the ring.

]]> By: Brandt DeLorenzo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-362 Brandt DeLorenzo Fri, 29 Feb 2008 20:47:53 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-362 I think the point Josh is getting at is that boxing has started to turn into a "I just want to make money and not get knocked out" kind of sport. The fighters aren't fighters any longer, they are victims. Fights won't take the small chance of winning because they are afraid of the other guy winning by KO and everyone lets the fight go to a decision in hopes of winning and not getting hit much. Although some decision fights can be good during a night of fights, there needs to be some definite fight endings as well. I think the point Josh is getting at is that boxing has started to turn into a “I just want to make money and not get knocked out” kind of sport. The fighters aren’t fighters any longer, they are victims. Fights won’t take the small chance of winning because they are afraid of the other guy winning by KO and everyone lets the fight go to a decision in hopes of winning and not getting hit much. Although some decision fights can be good during a night of fights, there needs to be some definite fight endings as well.

]]> By: МАксим Танк http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-360 МАксим Танк Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:52:25 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-360 I dont feel that way... boxing is boxing, that's what they do - go for 12 rounds and hit each other in the head. I of course would prefer massive brawls with knock-outs BUT in the same manner i would prefer hockey and soccer to be more intense - why are the guys running/skating around ? they should charge the net for 3 periods nonstop and preferable fight each other also, that would be fun right ? Its easy to write articles and is a whole different dealio actually fighting I dont feel that way… boxing is boxing, that’s what they do – go for 12 rounds and hit each other in the head.
I of course would prefer massive brawls with knock-outs BUT in the same manner i would prefer hockey and soccer to be more intense – why are the guys running/skating around ? they should charge the net for 3 periods nonstop and preferable fight each other also, that would be fun right ?
Its easy to write articles and is a whole different dealio actually fighting

]]> By: Josh Stein http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-352 Josh Stein Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:29:29 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-352 el feo, I have no clue why anyone pays to watch Klitschko fight. I got it free on HBO at my dad's place and the only reason I watched it was to time the rounds for my workout. I hope Jim Lampley is crying right now, too. Him and Jeff Lacy. el feo, I have no clue why anyone pays to watch Klitschko fight. I got it free on HBO at my dad’s place and the only reason I watched it was to time the rounds for my workout.

I hope Jim Lampley is crying right now, too. Him and Jeff Lacy.

]]> By: Brandt DeLorenzo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-351 Brandt DeLorenzo Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:13:16 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-351 Even with the large fanbase of older males with more income, the Pavlik/Taylor II PPV only grabbed 250,000 buys. UFC has been hitting 600,000+ buys with their latest domestic PPV events. I'm hoping this trend continues because boxing is just one dimensional with too much stalling and guys who are just in it to make money. I agree 100%. PS - I hope Jim Lampley is crying right now. Even with the large fanbase of older males with more income, the Pavlik/Taylor II PPV only grabbed 250,000 buys. UFC has been hitting 600,000+ buys with their latest domestic PPV events. I’m hoping this trend continues because boxing is just one dimensional with too much stalling and guys who are just in it to make money. I agree 100%.

PS – I hope Jim Lampley is crying right now.

]]> By: el feo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/comment-page-1/#comment-350 el feo Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:42:31 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2008/02/26/the-fall-of-boxing-good-for-us-bad-for-them/#comment-350 this is a hell of an article. How does Klitschko think anyone wants to pay any kind of money to watch him fight after that atrocity? Yeah, I'll pay 50 bucks to see him fight....KIMBO. I will say there are some real fighters left in boxing, mostly at the smaller weights, so they deserve credit. But overall there is more of a spirit in MMA of wanting to prove and test yourself against the best. this is a hell of an article.

How does Klitschko think anyone wants to pay any kind of money to watch him fight after that atrocity? Yeah, I’ll pay 50 bucks to see him fight….KIMBO.

I will say there are some real fighters left in boxing, mostly at the smaller weights, so they deserve credit. But overall there is more of a spirit in MMA of wanting to prove and test yourself against the best.

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