Comments on: The UFC has a Money Problem http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/ MMA Opinion and Cheap MMA Gear Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:45:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Brandt DeLorenzo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-2898 Brandt DeLorenzo Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:45:04 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/#comment-2898 This article is also a year old and many things have changed. This article is also a year old and many things have changed.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-2894 Jonathan Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:09:11 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/#comment-2894 this article is so stupid, just because Henderson lost his title to Jackson does not determine whether or not he should get paid more, and his fight was great, i think it was a bad call by the judges because Rampage was at home (UFC). If you fight great and if you have earned your keep in a place, whether you are fighting an hour or finishing a fight in the two first seconds, you should get your worth. So i think people should be fair in receaving what they deserve, this is their lifes work, they maintain a house, provide for their families and its show biz, dude it should be paying better, u know injuries do happen.Cotoure and Henderson deserve to be paid there worth, Chuck is not better than Couture and he gets paid 500k. So dude this article is so not genuine man, its really off. this article is so stupid, just because Henderson lost his title to Jackson does not determine whether or not he should get paid more, and his fight was great, i think it was a bad call by the judges because Rampage was at home (UFC). If you fight great and if you have earned your keep in a place, whether you are fighting an hour or finishing a fight in the two first seconds, you should get your worth. So i think people should be fair in receaving what they deserve, this is their lifes work, they maintain a house, provide for their families and its show biz, dude it should be paying better, u know injuries do happen.Cotoure and Henderson deserve to be paid there worth, Chuck is not better than Couture and he gets paid 500k. So dude this article is so not genuine man, its really off.

]]> By: Me http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1838 Me Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:35:20 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/#comment-1838 One VERY important bit of information left out here, and I can't find it anywhere. What percentage of the UFC take at the door and PPV goes to the total pot for fighter pay out. This and this alone should be the determining factor regarding how much each fighter gets. Depending on the star appeal of the fighters on the ticket, each should be paid accordingly. So for example, UFC Fight Night 14 with Silva/Irvin We know >$600K was paid out overall, but how much was made at the door? One VERY important bit of information left out here, and I can’t find it anywhere. What percentage of the UFC take at the door and PPV goes to the total pot for fighter pay out. This and this alone should be the determining factor regarding how much each fighter gets. Depending on the star appeal of the fighters on the ticket, each should be paid accordingly. So for example, UFC Fight Night 14 with Silva/Irvin We know >$600K was paid out overall, but how much was made at the door?

]]> By: Brandt DeLorenzo http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-21 Brandt DeLorenzo Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:47:34 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/#comment-21 <p>Hold up chr; I'm not saying the UFC is doing the right thing. I'm merely taking the other side of the "UFC doesn't pay enough" debate for once. This isn't about the bottom-feeder fighters who make $3k per fight. This<br /> is about the guys who are making millions. </p> <p>I will safely assume (because you are right, I don't know) that Henderson was offered less. The UFC can't dish out the same kind of cash like Pride could. The UFC is legit while Pride was not.</p> <p>"Also, you can’t just look at it as if they make/want “millions” for 25 minutes. You have to consider the months of hard training that goes into a fighter’s preparations."</p> <p>I did. I briefly brought up Brett Favre, a professional football player who makes $11M a year. He trains almost year-round as well. If what Kevin Iole reported is true (hey, I'm being nice!), then Couture could theoretically make between $6.5 - 7.5M million per year for 50 minutes of actual performance (if he retains the title for two fights in one year) and a year of training. Also keep in mind that training is different than fighting. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with what Couture is doing, I'm saying that top-paid professional fighters shouldn't be worrying about who gets paid what. If you can make that much money, it should be enough to fight.</p> <p>"While the UFC is going to continue to be proftable in the near future, Couture leaving probably cost them far more than 1 million in terms of lost PPV buys. You can’t just look at if they are profitable or not, you have to look at how profitable they are. So with Couture leaving, UFC is probably less profitable."</p> <p>Sure, but the UFC, as a business, will move on no matter what happens with Couture. This isn't a personal friendship (and I'm sure you already know this) so they have to continue moving forward and promote their newest heavyweight champion if they can't come to terms with Couture soon.</p> <p>"Your article is biased almost to the point that it is lying and/or withholding facts so you can shoehorn everything into “UFC is doing the right thing” and “its their fault”."</p> <p>Please post up said facts!</p> <p>"In the end it is not about the UFC. It is about the fighters."</p> <p>Again, agreed. A fighters union might just be the answer. It may also be the end of $40 5 fight Pay Per Views for us fans as well. It's a compromise, but the fighter, with his/her health at stake, should be #1.</p> <p>Psygone<br /> Very true. It's not our money, why should we care? :) It's basically the same for any pro athlete who signs a longterm contract. Keeping with my example, Brett Favre could start performing terribly this weekend and as long as his contract keeps him employed, he's making the money.</p> <p>Keep the comments coming!</p> Hold up chr; I’m not saying the UFC is doing the right thing. I’m merely taking the other side of the “UFC doesn’t pay enough” debate for once. This isn’t about the bottom-feeder fighters who make $3k per fight. This
is about the guys who are making millions.

I will safely assume (because you are right, I don’t know) that Henderson was offered less. The UFC can’t dish out the same kind of cash like Pride could. The UFC is legit while Pride was not.

“Also, you can’t just look at it as if they make/want “millions” for 25 minutes. You have to consider the months of hard training that goes into a fighter’s preparations.”

I did. I briefly brought up Brett Favre, a professional football player who makes $11M a year. He trains almost year-round as well. If what Kevin Iole reported is true (hey, I’m being nice!), then Couture could theoretically make between $6.5 – 7.5M million per year for 50 minutes of actual performance (if he retains the title for two fights in one year) and a year of training. Also keep in mind that training is different than fighting. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with what Couture is doing, I’m saying that top-paid professional fighters shouldn’t be worrying about who gets paid what. If you can make that much money, it should be enough to fight.

“While the UFC is going to continue to be proftable in the near future, Couture leaving probably cost them far more than 1 million in terms of lost PPV buys. You can’t just look at if they are profitable or not, you have to look at how profitable they are. So with Couture leaving, UFC is probably less profitable.”

Sure, but the UFC, as a business, will move on no matter what happens with Couture. This isn’t a personal friendship (and I’m sure you already know this) so they have to continue moving forward and promote their newest heavyweight champion if they can’t come to terms with Couture soon.

“Your article is biased almost to the point that it is lying and/or withholding facts so you can shoehorn everything into “UFC is doing the right thing” and “its their fault”.”

Please post up said facts!

“In the end it is not about the UFC. It is about the fighters.”

Again, agreed. A fighters union might just be the answer. It may also be the end of $40 5 fight Pay Per Views for us fans as well. It’s a compromise, but the fighter, with his/her health at stake, should be #1.

Psygone
Very true. It’s not our money, why should we care? :) It’s basically the same for any pro athlete who signs a longterm contract. Keeping with my example, Brett Favre could start performing terribly this weekend and as long as his contract keeps him employed, he’s making the money.

Keep the comments coming!

]]> By: Psygone http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-19 Psygone Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:50:36 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/#comment-19 Nobody ever complains when the security of a long term contract protects a fighter who has lost a few fights and had their market value shifted downward. Nobody ever complains when the security of a long term contract protects a fighter who has lost a few fights and had their market value shifted downward.

]]> By: chr http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-18 chr Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:56:59 +0000 http://www.mmaopinion.com/2007/10/16/the-ufc-has-a-money-problem/#comment-18 You do not state what Dan makes or what he was offered. And since he decided to "keep" his Pride contract, one can rightfully assume that the UFC offered less. So we are not talking about a pay raise, but rather a pay cut. Also, you can't just look at it as if they make/want "millions" for 25 minutes. You have to consider the months of hard training that goes into a fighter's preparations. "Does the UFC need to pay him that much money to keep their productions profitable? Certainly not; they have other champions and top notch fighters to promote." While the UFC is going to continue to be proftable in the near future, Couture leaving probably cost them far more than 1 million in terms of lost PPV buys. You can't just look at if they are profitable or not, you have to look at how profitable they are. So with Couture leaving, UFC is probably less profitable. Your article is biased almost to the point that it is lying and/or withholding facts so you can shoehorn everything into "UFC is doing the right thing" and "its their fault". In the end it is not about the UFC. It is about the fighters. You do not state what Dan makes or what he was offered. And since he decided to “keep” his Pride contract, one can rightfully assume that the UFC offered less. So we are not talking about a pay raise, but rather a pay cut.

Also, you can’t just look at it as if they make/want “millions” for 25 minutes. You have to consider the months of hard training that goes into a fighter’s preparations.

“Does the UFC need to pay him that much money to keep their productions profitable? Certainly not; they have other champions and top notch fighters to promote.”

While the UFC is going to continue to be proftable in the near future, Couture leaving probably cost them far more than 1 million in terms of lost PPV buys. You can’t just look at if they are profitable or not, you have to look at how profitable they are. So with Couture leaving, UFC is probably less profitable.

Your article is biased almost to the point that it is lying and/or withholding facts so you can shoehorn everything into “UFC is doing the right thing” and “its their fault”.

In the end it is not about the UFC. It is about the fighters.

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