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	<title>Comments on: You can&#8217;t blame the UFC for Pride&#8217;s Downfall</title>
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		<title>By: Brandt DeLorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandt DeLorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blame MS Word for the grammar errors and the Sherdog forums for your comment. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blame MS Word for the grammar errors and the Sherdog forums for your comment. <img src='http://www.mmaopinion.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: klown</title>
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		<dc:creator>klown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 05:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know what&#039;s funnier - the commentator who described the article as &quot;well-written&quot; or the author who managed to make a grammatical error in every sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s funnier &#8211; the commentator who described the article as &#8220;well-written&#8221; or the author who managed to make a grammatical error in every sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One final note. i know, I must be such a UFC homer! Funny thing is, I&#039;m from the Pro Wrestling world, and Meltzer called it years back (&#039;01-02). He said Dana White is a Vince McMahon waiting to happen. And though non-wrestling fans take that in a very flat (&quot;so it&#039;ll be scripted John? Characters?&quot;) that&#039;s not what I actually mean. Fighting is pro wrestling, always has been, it&#039;s just a shoot instead of a work. Dana is a Vince in the way you are starting to see as far as domination of the industry, blackballing, profit sharing, branding, ego, and all that comes with being a brilliant but self centered business man. You make an industry, but only in your image. Dana has been more progressive though, so far.

No, the actual note to be made here is the idea that UFC screwed up and they are &quot;ruined&quot; in Japan, and oh, are they screwed. Truth is Zach Arnold, the leader of this type of nonsense, is on record saying the Japanese market is pretty dead. SHOOTO and Pancrase will exist, and do well for small productions. But UFC is in America, and puts on &quot;western&quot; shows. Why waste so much money in a market that doesn&#039;t want Americans, w/ a Pride name that&#039;s tainted, and a fanbase diminished. PRIDE lost money for years running shows in domes for TV simply because in Japan the idea of flash is more important than making money. It&#039;s all image. Japan is dead. Dana White is going there anytime soon regardless. There are maybe 4-6 Japanese fighters that the UFC would want, and frankly, if they aren&#039;t signed, Jordan Breen and six other people who are smart mark MMA fans will cry foul. no one else will know or care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One final note. i know, I must be such a UFC homer! Funny thing is, I&#8217;m from the Pro Wrestling world, and Meltzer called it years back (&#8217;01-02). He said Dana White is a Vince McMahon waiting to happen. And though non-wrestling fans take that in a very flat (&#8220;so it&#8217;ll be scripted John? Characters?&#8221;) that&#8217;s not what I actually mean. Fighting is pro wrestling, always has been, it&#8217;s just a shoot instead of a work. Dana is a Vince in the way you are starting to see as far as domination of the industry, blackballing, profit sharing, branding, ego, and all that comes with being a brilliant but self centered business man. You make an industry, but only in your image. Dana has been more progressive though, so far.</p>
<p>No, the actual note to be made here is the idea that UFC screwed up and they are &#8220;ruined&#8221; in Japan, and oh, are they screwed. Truth is Zach Arnold, the leader of this type of nonsense, is on record saying the Japanese market is pretty dead. SHOOTO and Pancrase will exist, and do well for small productions. But UFC is in America, and puts on &#8220;western&#8221; shows. Why waste so much money in a market that doesn&#8217;t want Americans, w/ a Pride name that&#8217;s tainted, and a fanbase diminished. PRIDE lost money for years running shows in domes for TV simply because in Japan the idea of flash is more important than making money. It&#8217;s all image. Japan is dead. Dana White is going there anytime soon regardless. There are maybe 4-6 Japanese fighters that the UFC would want, and frankly, if they aren&#8217;t signed, Jordan Breen and six other people who are smart mark MMA fans will cry foul. no one else will know or care.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well written, fair and balenced. History is hard to tell w/o the time of a book, but this is an interesting overview. 

Pride was a great organization that made alot of fighters wealthy and entertained alot of fans. But there is a reason why fighters were paid in cash the night of the show, lack of commissions left to mismatches and &quot;freak show&quot; fights, hometown decisions were made by judges w/o credentials to protect fighters, booking was done for entertainment and not sport (the Japanese see no difference w/ MMA and Pro Wrestling, something rarely mentioned in MMA sports influenced writers), and finally, that PRIDE was probably going to fold if UFC didn&#039;t buy the libary, though  I do take issue w/ you writing 70 million USD. The highest price quoted was 65 million, but the actual price is said to actually be about 10-15 million, since due dillegence is done after the sale is announced, so between March and September things changed. A quote would have satisfied my admittedly sensitive eyes.

With so many Pride fighters filtering in to UFC, and the UFC remaining strong at the PPV box office, slowly they will recover there loses. Wether they should have let the company die and recover the tape library and tradmarks in bancrupcty is a better question, but they survive regardless. 

Finally, would like to add that Dave Meltzer reported the reasons for the financial report by Standards and Poor. It comes down the loans owed years from now, with alot of smoke that actually leads to no fire (unless Zach Arnold uses details to make a story out of nothing, which is always possible..oops, he did). if UFC defaults on loans in 2015, then there&#039;s a story:)

Good article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well written, fair and balenced. History is hard to tell w/o the time of a book, but this is an interesting overview. </p>
<p>Pride was a great organization that made alot of fighters wealthy and entertained alot of fans. But there is a reason why fighters were paid in cash the night of the show, lack of commissions left to mismatches and &#8220;freak show&#8221; fights, hometown decisions were made by judges w/o credentials to protect fighters, booking was done for entertainment and not sport (the Japanese see no difference w/ MMA and Pro Wrestling, something rarely mentioned in MMA sports influenced writers), and finally, that PRIDE was probably going to fold if UFC didn&#8217;t buy the libary, though  I do take issue w/ you writing 70 million USD. The highest price quoted was 65 million, but the actual price is said to actually be about 10-15 million, since due dillegence is done after the sale is announced, so between March and September things changed. A quote would have satisfied my admittedly sensitive eyes.</p>
<p>With so many Pride fighters filtering in to UFC, and the UFC remaining strong at the PPV box office, slowly they will recover there loses. Wether they should have let the company die and recover the tape library and tradmarks in bancrupcty is a better question, but they survive regardless. </p>
<p>Finally, would like to add that Dave Meltzer reported the reasons for the financial report by Standards and Poor. It comes down the loans owed years from now, with alot of smoke that actually leads to no fire (unless Zach Arnold uses details to make a story out of nothing, which is always possible..oops, he did). if UFC defaults on loans in 2015, then there&#8217;s a story:)</p>
<p>Good article!</p>
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